National PTA and National Teachers Union are bed buddies as are most State Unions and State PTA

Nothing the PTA does a PTO cant do.

The 5 yr rule is complete and utter BS

If not for time of state, IRS, etc to file paperwork - a non profit could be done and up and running in 24 hrs. Its not hard, its not difficult and its not rocket science.

I failed to mention the newspaper also said that PTOs cannot be a non profit for five years which according to what I have read here is false.

I think the involvement being high in Utah is because parents in UT by and large want to be involved in childrens education the only organized effort available is PTA, Utahns however trust and don't question the status quo. I really think if Utahns knew what PTA supports politically they would all disban immediately. They just don't know and I don't think they ask. It all looks so good and if they are telling you PTA is wonderful for you they believe. ( I don't think national PTA is being honest with us) I have heard that there are those who would like to move to a PTO somewhere in my school and I need to find them. Our high school is no longer affiliated with PTA because they don't benefit much.
Utah also has an issue with funding. There are so many students and education is always needing more money, which is why I think PTO is much more effective for Utah because it allows parents to support the school additionally without raising taxes or filtering tax money through the system where you will only increase by small percentage. I think the things PTA does are wonderful but I don't see any of them as things we couldn't do unaffiliated with the exception of reflections which I think we could come up with an alternate plan.
I think also that the teacher's union receives additional help with lobbying monies from PTA so the union doesn't want to lose PTA funding on a state level either.
Like I say I could be wrong on all accounts.

RobinD;133526 wrote:

Oh Jim.. Tim LOVES it when we feed his ego like that.. that will make his day! Right, Tim??

Well, there are those who'd say my ego needs to go on a diet, but....

I think scissors is asking a couple of different questions.

1. Is the standard question around these parts of whether it really is as difficult as PTA higher-ups make it seem to disband a PTA. The answer to that is: "No". But Utah is a unique animal, PTA-wise. Always has been an enigma, actually.

On the one hand, it's a very, very conservative state where typical political views are more at odds with typical national PTA stances than any other state. On the other hand, the percentage of Utah parent groups affiliated with PTA is far, far higher than any other state in the country.

So -- whereas "going PTO" in most parts of the country is the more common option -- in Utah "going PTO" is still considered the unusual option. And it's often difficult for groups to feel that different.

I do think affiliation must be nice when the state is that unified. I'd wager that the vast majority of real PTA satisfaction in Utah comes from state work vs. national. Surprised no one at Utah state has thought about keeping the state structure in place and disaffiliating with national. Would save Utah units hundreds of thousands of dues dollars with very little loss of benefits.

2. But I think what scissors is really asking is: "can she really make an impactful difference on PTA from the inside?" And that's a much more complicated answer.

To me, it depends on what you're trying to change. I don't think you can change the fact that it costs so much to be a PTO unit (that's been going up and up) vs. the benefits received. Politically, can you change the position statements and decision-making of PTA? Yeah, those positions are -- by and large -- voted on by membership.

Also think it matters what your group's goal is? If it's making your school a great place and giving a voice to your parents locally, then you can do that without the dues cost and the (perhaps sisyphisian) challenge of trying to change PTA. That's why a lot of group's leave -- most of the time it's not disagreeing with PTA positions; it's actually finding that the positions/structure in general just aren't a fit for their group's goals.

...Also would wager that folks will take exception to my arguments above. Glad to listen.

Tim

"Maybe Tim could shed more light as he is obviously the most educated on this subject."


Oh Jim.. Tim LOVES it when we feed his ego like that.. that will make his day! Right, Tim?? YOU ARE KING.

If I was in your shoes my getting involved or not would be focused on whether or not I felt I could influence the group to actually make the switch. If I thought I had no shot, then no way. If I felt that with a little bit of education they would see the light, then I would step right up and let the education start right away.

Is disbanning truly a "lengthy" and "difficult" process? I personally don't know. Sounds like a scare tactic, but I would love to hear the reality of it.

It makes it sound as though the National/State PTA is stating that you will have to continue to pay them their dues no matter what, even if your group was disbanded. Wonder what the ramifications of totally spending down and then disbanding your group would be? Of course you would either then start up a new PTO group, or possibly do it laterally.

Maybe Tim could shed more light as he is obviously the most educated on this subject.

Regards,
PresidentJim

Yeah!