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Principal wants to dictate

17 years 4 months ago #134302 by PresidentJim
Another recommendation that I have is to possibly set up a meeting over the summer with your PTO members. Cc the Principal if you have her e-mail, but more than likely she will not attend.

Use this meeting to talk about your priorities for the year, one of which should be to define the annual budget. Another should be to define a set of Bylaws.

Have some example Bylaws, and ensure that you include in them all of the concerns that you have expressed, such as:

- Specifically that the committee controls all funds
- Voting
- Who votes
- Quarom procedures

After having the meeting and discussing it with the members your budget for the year can be defined. Then you may want to set up a meeting with the Principal during the late summer timeframe and discuss with her your priorities and what the group defined as where you want to spend funds. This would be the time to generally define the year.

Also I can't express too much how you really want to make your Principal understand that you want to HELP HER meet her goals. Since the Library is obviously one of her highest priorities I would try to make it one of yours. If she's willing to let you do the things that you want to then do the things she wants. Kind of "she scratches your back, you scratch hers".

Talk about where she wants to go with the library. Talk about a reading incentive program that your group could possibly lead. Adopt a book might be good. Maybe book fairs, where a % of the funds can be allocated for the library. Etc.

Anyway, let us know how it works out.

Regards,
PresidentJim
17 years 4 months ago #134274 by lalalala
Replied by lalalala on topic RE: Principal wants to dictate
PrincipalJim,

Thank you so much for your many words of advice for our new school and our issue with a dictator like principal.

I have found that my PTO officers do not want what the principal wants but we need to first pass bylaws and then vote on what we really want as parents for the school. We are a magnet school with an emphasis on arts and science but believe it or not, our principal is starting the school without the magnet programs yet wants to fund the library before the magnets. It's all very odd and very discouraging. My main concern as the new PTO president of a new school is loosing the motivation and volunteer spirit of a great new group of parents. I am thinking about holding a survey during our first two days of school (during the open house) to find out what parents are interested in spending our money on this first year.

Thank you again for all of your advice!
17 years 5 months ago #134000 by OneandOnly
Myerspto: Isn't the word 'safe' explanation enough for your principal. If the key is out for anyone to obtain and access the safe, then it is not serving the intended purpose. What is the reasoning? The PTO safe should only be accessible by certain individuals - President and Treasurer for sure, but not many more.
Just like PTO's set up their bank accounts with limited access to two people, the safe should be exclusive as well.

Doing it for my one and only ~~ my son!
17 years 5 months ago #133998 by volunteermomo3
Why can't the key be kept in the principal's office? Our principal has our checkbook locked in the safe in her office, which we all agree is fine.
17 years 5 months ago #133982 by myerspto
My principal want the key to the PTO safe to be held in the key closet where all potentially have access to it. what is your take on this? does any one have any idea if this is ok or not I say NO WAY but i need to find some ruling or something in print that i can use as ammo. can anyone help!!!
17 years 5 months ago #133955 by PresidentJim
Being that you are a new group do you already have Bylaws? Are you a 501C non-profit? Are you independant or dependant.

These are very important questions that will dictate which way you should proceed. If you are a dependant group then the Principal may be 100% in her right to dictate how your raised funds are spent.

Now if you are an idepenant, non-profit, as I'm guessing you are, then it's going to come down to your Bylaws. If you don't have them yet then this should be a priority and you should make sure that they end up meeting your group's desires. If you already have Bylaws do they say anything regarding fundrasing, voting, quarums, etc.?

Also, what type of specialty programs are you looking at.

To sum it up though, being that this is a new school, a new Principal and I am assuming a new PTO this is the one time to set up precedence. If you "allow" your Principal to dictate exactly what your group will do and how then that's the way it will end up being, for a very long time. I agree with Tim that it's not just what the parents want, nor is it just what the Principal wants. But, the PTO should be a parent controlled and operated group (again assuming that you are an independant 501C) and as such the PTO President needs to run the group with guidance from the Principal, not just orders to be carried out.

I must say that I got very lucky this past year. We had a brand new Principal who is/was very enthusiastic, and I was just voted in as President. Over the summer last year I set up a meeting with him to let him know my priorities, things that we wanted to do, things that we have done, etc. To me this set the precedence of how the PTO was going to run in conjunction with the administration. Of course he had his own priorities, but by discussing things in this manner I was ensuring that he understood that we do our thing, with guidance from him, but also that we very much wanted to help him achieve his goals. This way everyone wins. We get to act upon the things that we want while he gets what he wants.

A good example of this was field trips. The previous Principal did not allow Field Trips ever since 9/11. The parents very much wanted field trips to come back. In this meeting I discussed this possibility, which he agreed was something he was for. First chance the group had we voted to allocate funds for each grade for field trips. He explained that he wanted to create a mobile laptop cart of up to 25 computers, but here's the difference...

If he had just come to us and said I want this, do it!, we would not have been very enthusiastic. But instead he came to us and asked for certain low cost items, such as Brittanica Online for the school, which I supported and we approved. But for the $15000 laptop cart he came to us and said that he wanted this and to obtain the funds he would chair a new fundraiser, a golf tournament. Then he requested a couple thousand dollars and for us to provide a letter to the town's school committee that we would be willing to cover the costs if we did not raise enough funds. In this way we would be able to get the laptops in December, and pay for them, with approval from the town, before the end of the school year.

The difference is that because he came to us not just with his hand out, but with a valid plan and willingness to lead it, we were willing to do these other things that we didn't have to. We didn't have to provide the $2000, but because he came to us the way he did we were more than happy to. I didn't have to provide the letter to the school committee, but because he came to us the way he did, and because he respected and supported us, I was more than willing to do so. This is mutually beneficial and has proven to be great for the school and the children.

So, I have to agree with you that you need to handle this now. You really only get this one chance to set the precedence. I would recommend a meeting with the Principal, one on one, or maybe the PTO Officers and the Principal. I would outline your priorities for the year as President. I would outline the fundraising plans and how you expect these funds to be utilized. Pretty much tell her the way it is so you can set the precedence. But at the same time you want to make her understand that you are very interested in her priorities. Ask her what she wants, where she sees need and specifics about where she wants the school to go. Obviously she wants this Library, and from what I have seen the Library is one place where town funding is very minimal. Ask her what her vision is with this new library and then maybe even offer future suggestions, such as a reading incentive program, accelerated reading program, helping to purchase the accelerated reading quizes for the school, an adopt-a-book program, book fairs and how some of the funds from these could be used for the Library, etc.

Lastly here's one last suggestion. Our Principal is very into technology, which I think is great. This year he instituted morning podcasting of the morning announcements. He actually has four kids in two teams setup the recording, running the program, etc. This goes online first thing in the am so that the parents can actually go online and hear the morning announcements each day. With this he put the school in to present at the National Computing Conference in Atlanta, Georgia. We ended up being the only school in Massachusets to be selected to attend this. The overall cost to send the four stundents and one adult each was was almost $4000. Now this was obviously not a known thing, and it was not taken into account when we created our annual budget. But once again the Principal didn't come to us and say "give me the money". If he had, even though my child and I are part of the group affected, I would not have been supportive. Instead he presented the idea and I recommended that we create a new fundraiser, or fundraisers, specifically for this goal. We provided the idea of the change jugs, like "pennies for something" and at the same time we ran our own new fundraiser in a Vendor Evening, with various vendors such as Tupperware, Mary Kay, Longerberger, and like 20 others. Each had to pay just $25 for their table and 10% of any booked parties. This ended up raising us over $3000 and allowed the PTO to fund this trip.

So the point is that as a PTO I never said, "I'd like to vote to give the Principal $4000 so he can have this". Instead I would present it as our existing funds are "off-limits", but we're willing to help by running a new fundraiser specifically focused for this purpose, as long as you're willing to help. In this way he understood that, number 1, we decide how to spend our funds (of course with his guidance) and number 2, that we are very willing to support him. It keeps the precedence that if he supports us we support him, and this is great for the school. We stay important to him, and as such he takes care of us.

So I would recommend the meeting, explain that funding this new Library is not in your existing budget, but that you are willing to present the idea to the group of running new fundraisers specifically with this long-term goal in mind.

Hope this helps and good luck,
PresidentJim
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